UNEVEN ABS!?

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UNEVEN ABS!?

after training with dylan for the past 4 months now, ive been slowly noticing my abs coming into place. it's a great feeling; however, after viewing some videos on youtube/just randomly surfing the net, ive seen pictures and videos with fitness guys with not so great looking abs. like, they're ripped and all, but abs...only a mother would love.

so my main question: are uneven abs the result of unequally balanced exercises/bad form, or are they a genetics thing?

it just seems like something i want to take into consideration, because it would be very discouraging to have weird looking abs, and it'll basically take away all motivations...
and if it either is genetics, or bad form, are there ways to correct them? (and no, plastic surgery does not count as a method...you cheating bastards!)

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If one side of your body is

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If one side of your body is very dominant, there is always a chain reaction that occurs in the muscles. The muscle fibers on the dominant side will trigger first and thus work more before the other side catches up, which can cause an imbalance. I have uneven hips from poor training techniques I practised back in highschool. This has caused my abs to be slightly off center and my right ones slightly bulkier... Can it get worse if your not aware....Yes.

However, as soon as you recognize there is an imbalance you can counter it by doing the motion but focusing on the burn being distributed evenly. I have corrected mine very well, although you might need feedback on your form from a weight-room attendant or personal trainer to know you are still doing a functional exercise.

-Dylan

LOL. Loved your

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LOL. Loved your explanation, Dylan. Your abs are GREAT looking, Dylan, so must have corrected well.

There are two paired and parallel rectus abdominis muscles (aka "abs") that are intersected with fibers called "tendinous intersections". It's totally due to genetics how those fibers are laid into the muscle. The "packs" are the muscles that get developed in the sections created by the tendinous intersections.

Although there is only one set of rectus abdominis muscles and the tendinous intersections create the "packs", it's just false that you shouldn't think of upper and lower abs. I read that a lot on muscle and bodybuilding forums and when it comes to abs they are 60-70% mistaken at least 50% of the time (being humorous here but you get my point). There are different nerves enervating or activating the "upper" and "lower" rows of abs.

One mistake is guys asking how to strengthen their lower abs because they say they are bad. What they mean is that they cannot see the lower rows of abs. They have too much fat to be seen. In fact, the lower abs are damn strong. Typically the upper abs have less subcutaneous fat and get visible faster than the lower rows.

Another mistake is the order in which you work your abs. The lower abs should be worked first as they don't tire as fast as the upper abs. If you start focusing on the upper abs they will be too fatigued to work the lower abs.

A fun thing on abs--which is where Dylan's suggestion comes in--is to use the machine crunch and then crunch the left and right rows of rectus abdominis muscles in turn. This way you can make some of the corrections Dylan talked about.

As you exercise your abs, the muscles in the intersections will begin to develop and pop through creating visually the sections called packs. Some of the tendinous intersections fibers are deeper in the rectus abdominis on some people and they are able to achieve deeper cuts. My trainer Andy has the best set of 8-pack abs I've seen in person and that's saying a lot living in California. I grant that he has worked his abs hard since he was first in gymnastics but he has become an expert in the training of abs. His are symmetric and really pop. They look permanently flexed when they are relaxed. I think it's from years of taking hard punches and doing other boxing and martial arts training to take punches. He blasted his abs hard in high school with a medicine ball routine that has made its way around the web. My 8 pack is very symmetric and I've worked them hard for years even when not exercising the rest of me much.

Other things about abs structures. Dylan's abs are what are called "mustache abs" because they look like, well, mustaches. It's one awesome look and gives Dylan an amazing looking wall of muscle--I'm now bowing in worship of Dylan's abdominal wall. LOL Seriously, though, Dylan I love how your abs look.

There are other guys who have staggered rows of abs which is also a great look.

I'm not into bodybuilding but I don't think it matters how the packs are arranged so much as that they are not covered with fat and are well developed.

Other things about abs is that since they are activated almost constantly as we live our lives and for all who lift weights regularly there is a preponderance of slow-twitch muscles. Here again you just hear fitness experts say that abs are mostly fast-twitch fibers. The distribution of slow-twitch and fast-twitch muscle fibers does vary from person to person, but given the constant use of the abs, they tend to be quite a bit more slow-twitch muscles.

I've read on the web guys say, "They are just like any other muscle! You don't do sets of 100 reps of bicep curls so why do it with abs." Well, they are not like other muscles. They are not, for example, designed to bulk up when you work them with weights. Biceps can get to really bulge--Andy was a gymnast and his biceps really got big. Abs muscles are also different from biceps (for example) in that you can do many hundreds of abs reps in a set but not so with non-skeletal muscles. I've worked up to being able to do several sets of 300 roman chair situps. I've seen Andy do sets (plural) of 100 hanging leglifts with his knees just barely bent and brings toes to touch the bar. I love watching his abs contract as he does these and can see why guys in his high school enjoyed punching them. Admittedly Andy's abs have built up lots of endurance and strength over the years (15 years? yikes) but I've been able to build up my daily reps quite fast. Andy no longer feels any burn when he does high reps which is one reason he started using heavy weights on abs exercises and one reason he started taking lots of hard punches from his wrestling buddies. Punching his flexed abs is like hitting a sand bag--his abs don't budge and my wrist got very sore. But my point is that abs can be worked in very high reps because they are not like any other muscles of the body.

Not everyone needs to do high reps. Andy did it for gymnastics stamina so his abs were strong and powerful through all routines. He said he needed to hold Ls when rings was the last thing of the match. And he also admitted to vanity in showing off doing thousands of abs reps a day. But he said that he thinks his ability to take so many hard punches is because of years of high rep training. He thinks the medicine ball workouts helped of course.

As for Dylan's idea of selective exercising of the abs, hanging leglifts allow that--you can do the windshield wipers he demonstrates on one of the videos and exercise one side more than the other.

I think abs muscles are just a lot of fun to have popping out while wearing swim trunks but also have become a great joy working them hard most days.

I hope everyone enjoys working their abs.

Yours,
Cameron

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Variety in abs is the spice

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Variety in abs is the spice of life.

Okay, I edited the duplicate (no way to delete it) and posted this ditty. But it fits. Variety in the kinds of exercises you do is the spice of life for abs and other muscle groups.

Yours,
Cameron

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Sorry for the duplicate

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Sorry for the duplicate comment.

Don't know what happened but see it got posted twice. The post so nice it posted twice!

Yours,
Cameron

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Excellent explanations’

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Excellent explanations’ guys!

Alex.

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Morrison vs. Borne

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Morrison vs. Borne abs

Object lesson. This time the objects are abs.

John Morrison has perfectly symmetrical tendinous intersections giving his packs (boring?) symmetry.

Evan Borne's abs are not "nicely" lined up.

Both have outstanding abs.

Different doesn't mean better necessarily.

Alex, are your abs symmetrical or asymmetrical? The key is to shed the fat and reveal the packs you have!

Yours,
Cameron

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here's photo of my

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here's photo of my abs
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_SydgJXb2KQY/ScKj4ROn_UI/AAAAAAAAAUw/dofmGWLKpLQ/ab...
my abs are symetric and rock hard. i'm able to take some serious punches.

i think Morrison is the most fit pro wrestler. he's got an outstanding body. i'm jealous. lol

there defently

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there defently symmetrical.

But I often find some Asymmetrical abs look better than symmetrical.

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A photo of my abs which are

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A photo of my abs which are symmetrical

http://www.geocities.com/camatschool/cameron.jpg

You can see that I have a LOT of work to do. But I'm 18 yo and still a beginner.

Spring Break is coming up. Whoohoo!

Yours,
Cameron

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Here's the latest

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Here's the latest development showing my abs.

http://www.geocities.com/camatschool/cam.jpg

Ridicule welcome.

Yours,
Cameron

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lol, my weak abs when I had

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lol, my weak abs when I had them...

Working my way back down the fat % to show them again.

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Hope you get your abs back

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Hope you get your abs back in shape soon as they are part of the core for lifting weights.

If you mean by "weak" "ripped" then yes.

Yours,
Cameron

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I'm hoping to study for 3

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I'm hoping to study for 3 hours a day over break and workout for 1 hour as my reward. I will now be watching to see what abs structures I see over break!

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nice goal cameron. i like

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nice goal cameron. i like all you wrote about abs. i luv working my abs too and aim to make them rock hard yu kno not just for show.

here's abs photo from last fall (notice my tan) http://lh6.ggpht.com/_SydgJXb2KQY/ScK457V4BhI/AAAAAAAAAVg/97_opXNL9Vw/ab...

trying to be shreded

brendon

Hey, Brendon. You're in

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Hey, Brendon. You're in great shape. Your abs are really excellent. When you say rock hard have you tested them? Just curious. Keep up the great work. My email is camatschool@yahoo.com Hit me up if you want to.

Keep up the great work. You are shredded and I like your veins. LOL

Yours,
Cameron

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thanx cameron. Yur looking

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thanx cameron. Yur looking good too. would be fun to workout with you sometime. Abs are great muscles to have. keep up the good work.

brendon

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Hey guys. My abs are uneven

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Hey guys. My abs are uneven and i dont work out but im planning too. Now because I dont work out the reason they are uneven must be something in my lifestyle. But something very subtle or unfixable that I have really looked into and dont feel I can change. So i figure I have to simply work the other one out slightly more (in a controlled manner). Now they dont grow at different areas up my chest so I know its something i can fix due to sized. Its simply my top right ab being smaller then the other so as not pushing the others down. I've been looking around a fair bit and i cant find anywhere that tells you specified excercises for individual aspects of your six pack.

I'm just wondering if you guys have any tips of excercises that not only focus on lower, mid, or higher abs but left and right abs? Or links to sites that give you good information on it.

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Hey guys. My abs are uneven and i dont work out but im planning too. Now because I dont work out the reason they are uneven must be something in my lifestyle. But something very subtle or unfixable that I have really looked into and dont feel I can change. So i figure I have to simply work the other one out slightly more (in a controlled manner). Now they dont grow at different areas up my chest so I know its something i can fix due to sized. Its simply my top right ab being smaller then the other so as not pushing the others down. I've been looking around a fair bit and i cant find anywhere that tells you specified excercises for individual aspects of your six pack
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